Bomberman Server !

[QUOTE=Spooon;n184494]Beholder cares if his stuff is on GraalOnline. He’s gone onto the official Graal forums before and asked for his work to be removed from servers before.[/QUOTE]
Boo. Funny enough I decided to peek at the forums this morning out of the blue. Yeah I do care if my stuff ends up on Official Graal, I wish the best for official Graal but the worst for the one running it. When things end up on official Graal, no matter how pure and innocent your intentions may be- You have turned it into paid content.

On Graal Reborn, we’re all a lil ‘anarchist’ to their system, we all have our reasons. But here, the content made by people are still owned by the creator, where they may share and distribute however they wish. On the other side of that coin, you immediately lose that right once you upload anything on official, it becomes someone else’s property, and that someone in particular is well known son-of-a-cunt. I can be all up for offering logic if someone wants to pick my brain, more power to the masses; But I won’t be offering up any assets.

Fucking poetic man. Fuck the system and fuck losing your creative content to Unix cunt. I love it.

Dang. I was totally about to put bomber arena up on github and have a server constantly sync with the repo. Now I gotta find a new server for experiment.

We can still try that with PWA or a similar testbed server

[QUOTE=Sublime;n184500]Fucking poetic man. Fuck the system and fuck losing your creative content to Unix cunt. I love it.[/QUOTE]

dont really care losing any content, im just doing this for fun… if unix wants to profit off it, so be it… didnt he make the game or whatever ? he deserves some type of money, this world doesnt run off love…

[QUOTE=Chewbaca;n184504]

dont really care losing any content, im just doing this for fun… if unix wants to profit off it, so be it… didnt he make the game or whatever ? he deserves some type of money, this world doesnt run off love…
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He deserves NOTHING. If you think otherwise, you’re free to fuck off.

[QUOTE=Chewbaca;n184504]

dont really care losing any content, im just doing this for fun… if unix wants to profit off it, so be it… didnt he make the game or whatever ? he deserves some type of money, this world doesnt run off love…
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Of course you don’t care about losing creative content when you can’t create anything without asking for beholders scripts. Just for the record Unix did not create the game it was mostly created by Stefan, Nintendo, and a bunch of kids who contributed a lot of their time and lost all of the creative rights to whatever they uploaded on Graal. The only thing Unix deserves is a swift kick in the ass.

cyberjoueur developped a game making suite dedicated to profit of the crowd sourcing option of enthusiastic users who valued the empowerment of having their stuff online.
Cyberjoueur made money out of it and kept the game free.
It was all good, until they asked for money.

I can see now what antago means when saying they abused people.

Eh, no need to bash on the guy- Bit of a broken record in an echo chamber when you guys keep feeding into one another like that.

Didn’t mean that as a anti-graal/anti-unixmad speach. “Graal” as the concept is fine, people making stuff for one another to enjoy in an easy hot-swappable environment is great, its just that it will always have a fairly large leech at the top of the chain aggressively feeding on volunteer work that most people will never observe.

One of the reasons I don’t offer my content back into Official is because I don’t want to empower this man or to have him claim my work as his property. The other reason, isn’t so much of being selfish as it is insecure, my own insecurity, I don’t make content like I used to so I gamble with the fear if I will ever be as productive or capable as I used to be, so I try holding onto what little scrap of memory I have. That is my own problem to contend with. I’m currently not above of letting go of my content for “Commercial Use” by people I don’t support, but within this community that is more or less “fair-use” and non-profit I’m more willing of the idea.

That rubbish aside, I don’t think he was explicitly asking for Bomber Arena’s code and stuff. He was just asking for help with template code.
A lot of people will rely on putnpc variants- These are serverside entities but will have significant flaws too in terms of ‘responsiveness’ when you place a bomb and it bogging down the server’s overhead. Bomber Arena’s approach was to have everything artificial and as clientside as possible, all bombs and explosions in the levels are all rendered by the same NPC. The sharing of data (bomb placements/item pickups/obstacles) are handled by abusing “shoot” (and by proxy triggeractions) to send an artificial packet to every other player of an event happening, there is a 0,05 second delay minimum due to the event calling on the next frame. I get around this delay for the “acting player” placing bombs by injecting bomb data directly into the same array I hold all object data into, then telling that user to ignore their own delayed “packet”.

Graal runs at 20FPS (ideally, but we know it runs like crap) which gives a hard limit in terms of player movement speeds, a player cannot move “10% faster” while remaining to the grid, well, they can but ultimately its pointless because it would still take them the same amount of time to reach the same destination given the grid snapping. The other main reasons I didn’t add things like bomb kicking and throwing (besides the 4kb code limit) was due to how heavily clientsided the game is, for example, Who is to say when a rolling bomb hits a dynamic obstacle like a player or another bomb, maybe an explosion? The one who kicked it? Maybe allow it to be controlled by each person individually? But then you get things like bombs stopping or exploding unexpectedly due to desyncs. There will always be a lag delay between all players, and given Graal is notorious for running under 20 frames a second, this means game logic runs slower for some players than others, means a 3 second delay until a bomb explodes can actually be 3.6 seconds. So I decided to not have power-ups based on “mobility” of players or bombs given how easily the game could desync between players. (Ex: Player B kicks away a bomb Player A already seen explode. As such Player A now sees a ‘duped’ bomb rolling out of an explosion and past an obstacle the initial bomb already removed for Player A. This breaks the game flow.)

Have fun figuring out what I was too lazy to deal with back then! Anywho its getting late and its time for me to head back into obscurity. Do try and not to be a dick to everyone, especially if its naivety. Also no one needs to hear Unixmad preaching right off the bat, you do that crap ‘after’ they’re indoctrinated. See you guys next year? Haha.

[QUOTE=2ndwolf;n184508]antago[/QUOTE]
is right, it’s just his endless, psychopathic rants are wrong.

[QUOTE=Sublime;n184506]

Of course you don’t care about losing creative content when you can’t create anything without asking for beholders scripts. Just for the record Unix did not create the game it was mostly created by Stefan, Nintendo, and a bunch of kids who contributed a lot of their time and lost all of the creative rights to whatever they uploaded on Graal. The only thing Unix deserves is a swift kick in the ass.
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well im LATing the whole server by myself, its just a game dude, idc… sorry you see this as a ‘creative’ anything, i make music and id care 10x more if someone tried to do soemthing with that than anything to my dumbass graal server LOL.

also, i like how spoon only edits peoples post of calling me a N-word and stuff, but deletes mine… dickhead community…

THANKS BEHOLDER YOURE AWESOME !
its crazy you brought up the lag and stuff of bomb kick etc
i really want you to come to the server when things are done, beta will be open in 2 weeks

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Of course you don’t care about losing creative content when you can’t create anything without asking for beholders scripts. Just for the record Unix did not create the game it was mostly created by Stefan, Nintendo, and a bunch of kids who contributed a lot of their time and lost all of the creative rights to whatever they uploaded on Graal. The only thing Unix deserves is a swift kick in the ass.
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sorry dude, im never in my life gonna hold that much anamosity over someone cuz of a game hes profitting off of. thats how life works.
what, hes money hungry dickhead ? im 100% sure theirs more money hungry dick headed people with power in this world than anarchist my mans… grow-up.

[QUOTE=Chewbaca;184519]

well im LATing the whole server by myself, its just a game dude, idc… sorry you see this as a ‘creative’ anything, i make music and id care 10x more if someone tried to do soemthing with that than anything to my dumbass graal server LOL.

also, i like how spoon only edits peoples post of calling me a N-word and stuff, but deletes mine… dickhead community…

THANKS BEHOLDER YOURE AWESOME !
its crazy you brought up the lag and stuff of bomb kick etc
i really want you to come to the server when things are done, beta will be open in 2 weeks
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Pls ignore the racist bigotry. I’ve actually found my finger on the ban button a few time while in this thread. If yenairo keeps it up I’ll put him in timeout.

[QUOTE=hosler;n184523]

Pls ignore the racist bigotry. I’ve actually found my finger on the ban button a few time while in this thread. If yenairo keeps it up I’ll put him in timeout.
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yea man never really experienced racism with this community before, im surprised you guys let that slide like that :/… thanks alot tho for what you did ITT youre epic

[QUOTE=hosler;n184523]

Pls ignore the racist bigotry. I’ve actually found my finger on the ban button a few time while in this thread. If yenairo keeps it up I’ll put him in timeout.
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we’re just trying to make graal reborn a whitetopia

[QUOTE=Dylan;n184526]

we’re just trying to make graal reborn a whitetopia
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things you do after unimax tries to sue you LOL

[QUOTE=Chewbaca;n184528]

things you do after unimax tries to sue you LOL
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unixmad forced me become a kkkonfederate neo nazi 14/88 white power guy otherwise he’d sue me to the grave with international lawyers its only for my safety

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unixmad forced me become a kkkonfederate neo nazi 14/88 white power guy otherwise he’d sue me to the grave with international lawyers its only for my safety
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i have no problem with nazis, they did what anyone should do in their position, but KKK is corny and stands for nothing. i also can tell you know nothing about the nazi ideology if youre mixing the two, just another wannabe edgy whiteboy

i love me some NSBM tho…

[QUOTE=Chewbaca;n184520]

sorry dude, im never in my life gonna hold that much anamosity over someone cuz of a game hes profitting off of. thats how life works.
what, hes money hungry dickhead ? im 100% sure theirs more money hungry dick headed people with power in this world than anarchist my mans… grow-up.
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I hold no animosity to anyone but you’re a fool and I’m going to laugh my ass off if you get globally banned from your own server and it gets turned into a profit machine for G.O. which probably will never happen because you don’t have an original concept or functional scripts. I treat my art like you treat your music if I didn’t care about it being reproduced for profit without crediting me then I wouldn’t waste my time making it.

[QUOTE=Chewbaca;n184519]
well im LATing the whole server by myself, its just a game dude, idc… sorry you see this as a ‘creative’ anything, i make music and id care 10x more if someone tried to do soemthing with that than anything to my dumbass graal server LOL.[/quote] And this is why nobody here is likely to help you. Unlike you, Graal has become more than “just a game” to us. There are people here who have their lives literally fucked over by Unixmad, If you wanna play with scripts, go back to highschool programming. You’re not gonna get anything with your fake personality. I find it impossible to believe you haven’t run into racism on Graal unless you started yesterday.

[QUOTE=Chewbaca;n184519]
THANKS BEHOLDER YOURE AWESOME !
its crazy you brought up the lag and stuff of bomb kick etc
i really want you to come to the server when things are done, beta will be open in 2 weeks
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[QUOTE=hosler;n184523]
Pls ignore the racist bigotry. I’ve actually found my finger on the ban button a few time while in this thread. If yenairo keeps it up I’ll put him in timeout.
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wew lad